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remano



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PostPosted: Sep Fri 16, 2011 4:55 pm    Post subject: Air Race Tragedy Reply with quote

News is just breaking of a horrific crash at the air races, a pilot apparently lost control and crashed into or just near the stands, several fatalities and serious injuries. Probably more info on line but details at this time are pretty sketchy. One estimate is 75 or more injured, 25 critically.

http://www.rgj.com/article/20110916/EVENTS05/110916036/Reno-Air-Race-spokesman-describes-crash-mass-casualty-situation-?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE
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joeschmeaux



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PostPosted: Sep Fri 16, 2011 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just saw this on the news. At least 12 dead. Very sad.
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BC Dave
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PostPosted: Sep Sat 17, 2011 6:46 pm    Post subject: News Reply with quote

We hear so little from Northern Nevada around here these days. And now within 10 days or so, the Carson City shooting and this horrific crash.

It would be a nice turn around to hear of somebody winning MegaBucks or something like that in an Northern Nevada casino.
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Shooty



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PostPosted: Sep Mon 19, 2011 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not a tragedy. This is the result one should expect when one combines airplane racing (!) with spectators (!!!).

Airplane races kill people all the time. Hell, going into this year, the Reno Air Races had seen 19 deaths since 1964. 19! There were three separate fatal "accidents" in 2007 alone! Not some misty yesteryear, 2007!

It's an unbelievably stupid activity. I don't expect anyone who goes to such a thing to acknowledge their own stupidity, but with regard to that choice, that's what it is. Stupid stupid stupid.

May it never return.
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stan_allen



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PostPosted: Sep Tue 20, 2011 9:11 am    Post subject: Risk Management 101 Reply with quote

Yeh, I'm going to stay safely in a casino, where I can smoke perpetual cigarettes, and treat my liver to a steady stream of alcohol, all the while lecherously ogling cocktail waitresses, furthering an isolationism that shuns human contact.

Much healthier!

Sorry for the sarcasm; this is a tragic event, and should be treated accordingly. But I agree with Shooty to an extent: there's a reason you'll generally not find me in those circumstances that include a "harm's way" - I'm to be found safely on the sidelines, preferably indoors, and most likely hanging out at the bar, while others risk life and limb in various activities, or just as spectators of such. Why take those risks? Well, I know why: because you're the kind of person for whom thrills are obtained by engaging in physical risk. And those outdoorsy types who live in Reno probably never want to even set foot in a casino. So, to each his own!
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steve



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PostPosted: Sep Tue 20, 2011 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets just hope the govt doesnt have some knee jerk reaction and ban this event all together. Pilots know it is dangerous, and so do the spectators. People have a right to participate and or watch an event that may ultimately kill them. It was a horrible accident.
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Shooty



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PostPosted: Sep Tue 20, 2011 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve wrote:
It was a horrible accident.

This was definitely not an accident. It was the easily predictable result of intentional acts.

When you shake salt on fries, the fries don't accidentally get salty.

When you juggle chainsaws while blindfolded, you forearms don't accidentally get lopped off.

When you mod the hell out of a P-51 by both souping up the engine and simultaneously mutilating the control surfaces by chopping 10 feet off the wingspan and nearly a yard off the ailerons, then fly it wingtip to wingtip with other planes 50 feet over the heads of spectators, the expected result, not every time, but many, many times, is spectacular crashes, dead pilots, and dead spectators.

I recognize my language is direct, and I do feel badly for everyone who died or got hurt and their friends and families. But seriously, they did it to themselves, and not accidentally.

Sucks that it had to happen anywhere, let alone in Reno.
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Shooty



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PostPosted: Sep Tue 20, 2011 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve wrote:
People have a right to participate and or watch an event that may ultimately kill them.

Not in the United States they don't. You may wish it was that way, but it isn't.

Police and fire marshalls routinely prevent events that pose too great a risk people who want to participate or attend.

Go rent the Reno Events Center and promote a knife fight. See what happens.

Ask Great White's band manager. He got 15 years for lighting fireworks that that killed 100 people because what he did was against the law.

In this country, there are laws against staging events that pose too great a risk to the attending public, even if they want to come. These air races, as presently presented, deserve the same treatment. To me that's long been obvious.

I would hope others now realize it too. Lest these deaths be in vain.
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CaSwede



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PostPosted: Sep Wed 21, 2011 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like Shooty is fired up about this... Laughing I would be surprised if we see another Reno air race. The attorneys are getting lined up for litigation.
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Shooty



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PostPosted: Sep Wed 21, 2011 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm definitely fired up, I should cool down. I should also say I completely understand that lots of people I respect will see this differently. I disagree with them, though. Strongly.

I'm sure the attorney's are raring to go. I think a lot of the victims' recoveries will be minimized, however, by their own contributions to their fate.

In the future, an Air Show would be great. Air Races? Not so much.
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steve



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PostPosted: Sep Wed 21, 2011 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can agree to disagree and leave it at that.
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stan_allen



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PostPosted: Sep Thu 22, 2011 11:53 am    Post subject: We have an understanding Reply with quote

The best of all Simpsons quotes dealing with the art of negotiation is the one where, at the threat of a teacher's strike, Ned Flanders is called in to mediate, and encounters some difficulty. He sums it up with:

Flanders: "I guess this is one of those cases where we'll have to agree to disagree!"

Skinner: "I don't agree to that!"
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